Special ability to dodge rockets

I had Doom 2 1.666 for a few years, and I do not remember ever seeing a lost soul turn sideways and attack nothing, for any reason, nor have I seen this mentioned anywhere else.  I just tried shooting lost souls with rockets in a few downgraded doom versions and could not inspire them to deliberately move out of the way.  In fact I do not know of any monsters in any doom engine game that can guess what I am shooting them with.  Can anybody provide more information or evidence of this behavior taking place?

Heapinfrimp (talk) 07:03, November 25, 2014 (UTC)

Speed of Charging Lost Souls

The Speed of a charging Lost Soul is not 175 units/sec. There is no way. Imp fireballs move faster than that, for crying out loud! They may move at 20 frames per second when charging, but they are also considered projectiles when doing so, and projectiles move every tic (unlike monsters). In fact, I once modified a level I made for testing the Doomguy's speed by adding in a lost soul and running from it as fast as I could. Despite the time it took for the thing to notice me, it still overtook and hit me when I was running at full speed away from it (I really need to start putting this stuff on the internet). If the Lost Soul's speed/tic while charging is really 20, then it's speed/sec should be 20*35=700 units/sec (the same as a rocket, which actually feels right, since you can't quite outrun a rocket without straferunning). --Reaper with no name 05:47, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Isolated lost souls

"the only lone Lost Soul found in the classic Doom games is located in a secret area of E3M5."

I am pretty sure this is false. I recall at least one isolated lost soul in E2M1, for example. You know the narrow stairs that lead up to a switch which opens a teleporter back at the bottom of the stairs? In some skills there's a lost soul at the top of the stairs instead of a cacodemon.

I will double check when I get a chance tonight, just to make sure. Zack 19:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Confirmed - E3M5 isn't the only place for a "lone" lost soul. I be to removing this edit now. Zack 05:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


Is it really possible for an Arch-Vile to resurrect Lost Souls if they leave a splodge? I'm rather sure it's not. Janizdreg 15:04, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm-m.  This taxonomy says not.  The relevant paragraph was added by, if anybody knows who that is.
If the source code doesn't tell us the answer, we're sort of forced to take the word of previous compilations (no offense, Ledmeister), since making a demo showing the blood stain not being resurrected doesn't actually prove anything.   Ryan W 22:40, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)
I'll check WhackEd when I get home for resurrection frames for the Lost Soul. If it doesn't have any, it can't be resurrected. TheDarkArchon 12:25, 21 Nov 2005 (UTC)

It doesn't. Removing relevent paragraph. TheDarkArchon 19:56, 21 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Does the lost souls attack really count as a melee one? According to the source codes frame definition, it's a ranged attack? TheDarkArchon 23:21, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)

I don't know anything about any source code, but according to obituaries in ports like ZDoom or Eternity, if I'm not wrong, it's a missile attack. Check or experiment with DECORATE, Dehacked, EDF, to be sure. One more thing: I'm one who thinks Lost Souls aren't really among the most frustrating monsters in Doom. For me the most frustrating are the Demons, because they block the path, bite hard, sometimes take more than one shot. Demons can make me target for Cyberdemons, for example, because I didn't kill them. Printz 00:34, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


Note that the Lost Soul sprite remains fullbright even in dark areas (this is a property of the monster, not the sprite). I don't think this is correct. Shouldn't this say "(This is a property of the Frames, not the sprites)"? Or maybe "(this is a property of the monster's frames, not the monster itself)"? As far as I know, there is no mobj property for full brightness, it is instead applied to individual frames.

-Wagi 14:39, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Targeting frequency

The lost soul (along with a few other monsters) has a special check in the code which makes it attack more often than normal: [1].    Ryan W 23:10, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

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